I missed this thread the first time around, but IBOFLMBO for the last 30 minutes or so catching up. C - your poem is great! and I hope the g- and p- argument never ends! My mom (whose 96th birthday would have been yesterday) told me about g*ms and p*ms YEARS ago, and I THOUGHT I had the differences straight in my head until B and K started wranglin. Tell me again - which ones grow in the shade?