Was the c& c thread the new version? The way its wrapped is not the best. Hancocks has mettler, but no Guttermans. I will look for it. I love hand quilting and am enjoying working on the old quilt I have in my floor frame. I looked online at joanns and they carry singer but on an old style spool and coats and clarks is also part of the desrciption. Weird!