that's where i found this phaff. and had been looking. but good idea, will look again. who knows, might get lucky. yrs ago, my sister in nashville, tenn told me a quilter teacher she knew was going to sell her old one for $1000. at the time, i had just started quilting again, and was still working. so i didn't jump at it. now, who knows. if i ran into one, i just might.