I was just looking at them on line! I want one for the throat space. I went & test drove a Bernina & it was about $7,000. But once I got to looking at it, it really didn't have much more throat space than the one I've got. I looked at the 830 & it had the space I wanted, for $10,000+. That's when I thought about a Juki. A friend of mine awhile back bought one for quilting & I thought I'd rather spend the kind of money she spent for a Juki than $10,000 for just a little more throat space.