:cry: :cry: Everytime this subject comes up about die cutting machines, I get more and more confused. I'm putting a cutting machine on my Christmas list and for sure get it no matter which I decide on, but wow I just don't know which to get...Some are pricey for sure, but I want to purchase a machine that I won't soon have to upgrade, one that will be quite adaptable and hopefully the dies won't break the bank...So now once again, I'm back to sitting on the fence :cry: Maybe I shouldn't open up these discussions when they pop up lol...I have read and re-read about the different machines and seem to get more confused. Oh well !!!!!