This is very interesting.I thought I HAD to quilt with a hoop or a frame,but am glad to find so many that don,t. I enjoy it so much more without the frame.I basted really well on my longarm and have not had any puckers "yet".By the way my 80 yr.old mother who hand quilts everything quilts on a pvc frame.She will have a cow when I tell her Iam not useing a frame.Thanks for all the help.