I've just starting using the bread machine for sourdough bread. I've made two loaves and the second one turned out pretty good. It's a Betty Crocker recipe I found online. I might try letting it rise the second time and bake in the oven. The crust does get pretty hard in the machine. I have a Welbit that I bought at the GW for $10. It was new in the box so I hope to have it for a long time.