I have a Welbilt that I bought at the GW for $9 and it was brand new in the box. I see them all the time at the thrift stores so someone doesn't like them. I use mine at least once a week and bake sourdough bread in it. It lasts us for several days and doesn't get hard. You have to do things a little different than what the booklet tells you. If you want a really good recipe for sourdough I will PM it to you. We never buy bread, haven't for about 8 or 9 months so it definitely will save you money. I see the newer ones make a loaf style bread that gives you smaller slices. I might try that one next. I think it is Westbend that I saw.