I bought a new Voyager 17"& my DH bought me the Hinterberg frame for it in 2005.Idid quite abit of research,but had never used one. I dove in blind folded! I have test drove others since, But I absolutely love my Voyager,I keep both of them oiled. It runs like it was new. I just recently bought the stitch regulator for it, hehehe and kinda had to learn all over.I have 3 different frames from Hinterberg, For the work manship and quality (I think) their the best.You may want to check why they were refurbished.I recieved a letter from Nolting last summer,telling me that Hinterberg is now a part of Nolting Longarm Quilting Machines.I still get my supplies & great service from Hinterberg.I hope this helps you,and the price you gave not bad at all since mine 7 years ago.