ckcowl - yes, that is what I have been doing - is taking my stuff to show friends and family - my problem is I don't want to charge them much - if I didn't know them it may be easier for me. I am talking with a friend this morning about local craft fairs and fesivals - I think that may be the way to go - some of the things on Etsy and Ebay - I look at them and wonder what are they thinking with the prices - way too high. Oh well, I figured that Etsy would be difficult to get noticed with out a major marketing plan. Thanks for the reply.