Whatever you do, don't order from their website if you decide to try these pans. Their site is set up in a way that once they have your credit card info, you cannot back out of the transaction, even if you didn't hit the final confirm button. it WILL send your order through. Many have been ripped off this way on their site. These are in some stores now, so get them there so you can return them easily if you don't like them and you'll have saved s&h costs as well.