Well, as you can see, I didn't get many responses. Yes, I am a member of the yahoo group for Grace frames. There were some responses there that were all positive. I know my machine works with it because it is on the list. I am sure leaning in the direction of that frame. The price is what appeals to me. I don't plan to do work for others or get a long arm. I have an old handi frame that I got about a year ago. I liked that but it isn't as smooth as the Grace. I would like to find a dealer that has a sample of the start-right to check the feel of that one. I tried the bigger frame and it was sooo smooth. I will let you know if and when I purchase one.