i wonder if our parents talked about us that way. i think i am a considerate person and taught my daughter to be the same. the grandkids haven't learned common etiquette, like stating their names when they answer the phone, waiting their turns to talk, taking part in adult conversations, writing thank you letters, etc. i think their mom forgot what i taught her. oh well...they are not bad kids - all 7 of them! they just don't know what is expected of them at times. AND i don't interfere (too often). i only get to see them once a year or so, so i put up with it for the most part.