wow, this topic turned out to be so much fun.........makes me want to go shopping tomorrow just to see what all is there now........I saw a nice Kenmore the other day, for 8.00........another shopper plugged it in, and it ran just fine...everything seemed loose and it was clean..... I was tempted, but I dont really have room for any more........we gotta keep shopping......and that pawn shop idea is really good ! I would never have thought of that............