I went to my sewing repair man here in Michigan, I did call this morning to make sure he had them. He said of course! So this afternoon I went over and got 5....$.85 each, but I now have them in hand. I asked him what size they were, after looking them up in the catalog....he said "size 20" So that should settle that, right? Anyway, now I can fill these up with different colors.....I am making an Irish chain, and also the Baby quilt I saw on this Board a couple of weeks ago...taking it all to Shipshewana IN on Wednesday.