We have two persimmon trees in our yard and have had them at least 43 yr.s. They are good for attracting bees and very slippery when stepped on. My Husband hates to cut down trees that are still alive. He cuts the grass and walks in that part of the yard. They are the largest persimmon trees I have ever seen. Deer eat them and they grow wild around here. We have never eaten them and always have a bumper crop.