those came out just beautifully! Debcavan has some great tips on feathers (she's also a feather freak like I am). Another help that I've had is Kimmy Brunner's Twirly Whirly feathers DVD. She teaches you how to do this exact thing. Mine have come out great after watching that one several times. Your right, doodling commits it to muscle memory too. You wouldn't believe all the doodles I've got laying around everywhere! Of course that old practice, practice practice comes in too. Great job!