I got a $1,800 trade-in on a $12,000 Tin Lizzie set up that was 2 1/2 years old. This was last year. I was at a LA quilt show and asked each dealer what my trade-in value would be and all but Nolting refused to accept my TL though these dealers did take other machines. I was fortunate in that Nolting was my 2nd choise and I have been thrilled with my new machine. No matter what name appears on your machine, the association with TL is going to limit your trade-in or resale value in my experience and IMHO. So many of us have had unresolved machine problems and really poor customer service.