I can tell two of you that are on the bench that your packages will be arriving on Thursday....they were mailed in flat rate envelopes that needed taped up to close....they were sent back and I was told that they must close flat without being taped up or you will not be allowed to pay the flat rate....had to repackage in flat rate bubble envelopes which actually hold more anyway...so there is one on the way again to CA and OH.....