What gets me is some total vegans that will have nothing to do with beef. BUTTTTT they don't realize that what went into that beef and came out the other end was used to fertilize the vegetables. LOL! I also heard a gal in the supermarket say she doesn't do dairy because of the red meat. Excuse me! You don't get milk products out of a dead cow. Sometimes one also needs meat protein. Everything should be in moderation anyway.