I just go one of those not to long ago. Man it is driving me nut to . At first I could not get a good hold on the quilt. Then a friend told me about the glove . Now to get some thing that look good like the pro do lol. I think that going to take for ever I have done 1 and this one I'm working on now is with the glove . But still you hear the machine going fast and for me my hand wont to go fast to. So a lot to learn still just learning . I have just made 8 ever time I do one there is some thing els to learn