Tammi,
The needles were to the timing mark on the up swing and the hook wasn't quite there yet.
On the 4622 the needle was on the up swing at about what you said when the hook got there.
I pulled the nose off of it and twisted my self this way and that using a flashlight and never could see timing marks on that needle bar. But there is so much sheet metal and junk under the nose of that machine I could have missed it.
All I know is all of these machines but the T&S have been used and sew nicely.
I haven't gotten to the T&S yet. It's next in queue.
Joe