OMG, where you in my house today. LOL. My neighbor & her Mother where here talking about quilting. My friends Mother said her Mother, long passed away, used a hanging quilting frame that she thought she had gotten when she passed away. One day she went to get the frame out & realized she had gotten the curtain stretchers by mistake. She packed them back up in her basement. We all agreed that people don't use these anymore. She says that her daughter can get rid of them when she passes on. LOL. Sad that she didn't have the hanging quilt frame. Don't really know what to do with them.