I have a floor frame with the roller system, much like a long armer would use, but made of oak and intended for hand quilting. Now that I have carpel tunnel, I'm making the shift to machine quilting. However, my last quilt in the frame was such a bear to hand quilt, I ended up hand basting the quilt while in the frame, taking it out and machine quilting it on my domestic. I'm going to hang onto it for awhile, as it worked so well for getting the sandwich together square and I haven't tried sandwiching a queen size quilt any other way yet, so may just use it for that in the future.