I have the 820, which is the sister of the 830 without the embroidery and made it affordable for me. My Bernina dealer of 25 plus years gave me a great deal of $6,000 cash price. I bought the 820 instead of a long arm and use it for quilting on a frame, and when a long arm does work in to my future, I will have a personal sewing machine that I will use for a long time. It is what worked for me. I like it for quilting, but I really like it for sewing too.