Can't trust the serial number on the Singer...it's a 9W, and those are the machines made from old Wheeler & Wilson stock after Singer bought the company. Looks like an early one, so 1908 might be fairly accurate...they were made from 1906-1913.
My first thought on the handcrank was a Singer 12, but that badge is not a Singer badge, I can't read what it says... these should be fun restores for you!! Can't wait to see what you do with them!
