Oh, I stumbled on these on a trip to Kansas to visit my son in the Air Force. We had driven two days and as we came into Wichita, there was a Quilt shop on my side of the car. I said, "Honey, you need to get out and walk before we get to the base and here is a wonderful place to stop." We got out, went into the store and I asked about those needles, got 2 packages and loved them. I have ordered them on line two or three times since then. They are wonderful.