Thanks for all the advice. I'll let you know how it turns out. There is one old lady I would like to gag. She is not a quilter just a critic who asks the dumbest questions. She is a little slow and thinks our little group is her private property. She has actully scared away several perspective quilters. The quilts we do are raffled off to support extra services for the members of the center. The one I am trying to get the blood out of is a sampler that was made entirely by hand by a little old lady, who was taking a class and had no sewing machine. She was one of the bleeders that was able to get her stains out. She is 86 and her skin is like tissue paper. She donated the top to the center along with another one. We secretly quilted the other top and gave her the finished quilt a few months ago. It is a shame that she started quilting so late in life. At least she will get to sleep beneath one of her quilts.