I bought the H.Viking Saphire 830 for eleven hundred. It is not the embroidery 850 model. It has a 10 inch throat and I love this feature. You can shove a quilt thru so much easier. It has a stich fixing feature for start and stopping. Needle up or down. Alphabet and many different stiches. So far I have only used the alpha to write my name with some flowers and leaves. You can wind a bobbin from the needle which is great. I did have to buy an edging foot instead of the 1/4 inch foot because the feed dogs are wider that other machines. It works the same way except I have to adjust the needle to the right to get 1/4 inch. It has many features that I learned in the free class but quickly forgot. Some day I hope to get an embroidery mach. but for now this is working out fine.