also, my Rosie wouldn't let us near her in the beginning so I used a fly swatter to pet her!! seriously. She lovely it. that way she got some loving and no hands touching her. Once in awhile I still use the fly swatter. Poor girl really wanted some attention. her mom never gave her any for some reason. They all get along in their own ways now. This morning I got Rosie up on her hind legs and petted her tummy and then slid her up onto my knees. She didn't know it, but she was on my lap!! One day she may get up on her own while i'm down here on the computer. she considers anyone in a chair half way safe. can't pick her up for the Vet if you're sitting down!