QuiltNan, thanks so much for working that up on EQ for me. That design would be great and still will work even with having to add a fourth leaf to accomodate the 4H's as Daylesewblessed metions. Just add a fourth block instead of the stem. Ckcowl, I guess I should have been more specific, I personally see no problem with guys with sewing, quilting, designing, etc. I should have mentioned its more the place we live. Trust me it wont go over well and they will most likely get picked on. We live in the abyss of redneck land. LOL Oh well, someone is always gonna find a reason to pick. Ill just teach the kids a nice response that mentions Versace, Hilfilger, Hugo Boss, among the many others. Plumtree, the older one has a form of Autism known as Aspergers. He does have lots of trouble comprohending directions and such but that can be overcome by watching so I will have to show everything a couple of times and just be patient. I am most likely overthinking the whole thing and should just relax after all noone is expecting this to be perfect especially me considering I am not even close to perfect. I was thinking of Yellow Brick Road for a pattern. That was one of the first that I did and it turned out great, was alot of fun to piece since as you mentioned there is not much worry about points and such, also it ended up being the first quilt I ever place with in a show. Thanks everyone for all the wonderful comments and suggestions. Keep them coming everyone. Will be starting on these projects in most likely the next two weeks once the group leaders approves them.