It has been over 30 years since I had a perm. The last one I had I came out looking like little Orphan Annie! In the last 2-3 years I have had it highlighted which I do like but it has been over 9 months since I have done that also. I use Miracle II soap for shampoo and Coconut Oil for conditioner occasionally and use it for my hair dressing. Used to use Suave but they no longer make that. People always wonder how I get my hair a bit shinny. So that is just the coconut oil. I use coconut oil for many, many things. It is a great product.