I don't have windows 8. My 99 year old FIL needed a new computer and that's what it came with. I have managed to teach him how to get to e-mail and finally found an on-line solitaire game. Every computer I bought in the past 25 years came with Solitaire -- Windows 8 doesn't (as near as I can tell). The cross - platform touch screen garbage skews a lot younger than most of us, and the original design was not for a standard PC, it was for a tablet or a cell phone etc. Since it is hard to get a new computer without Windows 8 now, treat your old one nicely. Maybe we could punish the folks at Microsoft by making them fix the Healthcare website. And have the folks who screwed that up fix Windows 8.Then nothing will work ever!!! Anyone got a treadle sewing machine? Needle and thread? Sharp stick? Now is not the time to be an early adopter, that's for sure.