well...I'll try a between again. I've just had a hard time holding on to them. I had some surgery on my right hand a few years back and this winter for some reason it is giving me trouble. The middle knuckle is a bit swollen and just stiff and a little sore. I'm sure its just some arthritis in it and have been trying to compensate for it. Me going to the doctor involves someone having to hogtie me first and since dh is gone all week no one else is willing to try that little feat@