Sorry don't have either one, just my DSM, which gives me headaches which bunching up the fabric. I have a large HQ frame. I wish for one, cause I know it would be easier. I then say, in the South we don't utilize quilts long enough cause of our short winters ( okay this one was a b==ch). With that said, I would love to be able to go somewhere to just try it out. But even at the price, if I make 100 quilts and send to a LA at about 150 a pop (guesstimating). Then that would be the same as a purchased one. So since I know I'll never get my monies worth. I'll stick to my DM.