I agree - I'm looking at a machine they are asking $15 for, and figure I wouldn't offer less than $75 to have it shipped, and I'd also let them know what I expect for packing. I've had good luck when I talk to sellers before bidding. I'm very leary of trying to work a deal for shipping outside of eBay (or Goodwill online). With eBay if nothing ever shows up, the Buyer Protection will refund my money. Not sure how Goodwill works -