Awe, thanks guys :) Ok, i'm stipling my border right now, i always do my borders first, i know, backwards, sposed to quilt centre of quilt first lol. I do my borders first, cus if i have nice square borders, i want them to stay that way, and the rest of the quilt will just do what it wants to do lol :) My thread is too hard to see on the border, so i cant see if i'm stippling over any of my stitching, so i flipped it over, and am stipling from the back, darker fabric on back, and it's working perfect :) Ok back to stipling :) Thanks for the encouragement everyone