Hobbs 80/20 does not have scrim. It is needlepunched, but not through scrim. Hobbs *does* have a cotton batting that is needlepunched through scrim -- their Heirloom Natural with Scrim. I love Hobbs 80/20 but have not tried their Heirloom Natural with Scrim, so can't compare it to Warm and Natural (which is needlepunched through scrim). I used to use W&N, but no longer care for its stiff drape when new (it does soften up with multiple washings).