My LQS posts prices on the machines as well but they certainly aren't prices you want to pay (if you have done research and heard what other people have paid). My Crescendo had a price of $5999. No one is paying that price. Based on a lot of internet searches, I've heard anywhere from $3200 to $4200 from people buying in the last year. I had to really, really haggle and I was paying full cash and had an excellent machine for a trade-in. I do not feel I got a good price at all but any other deal was several hours drive and I didn't want to do that. Of course the dealer felt I was getting a great price. I came home with that horrible feeling like when you buy a car from a dealership!!! Why does it have to be so hard?