Well, after an overnight soak, that started with very hot water, the water was still lightly colored. Booooo! So I grabbed a different piece of red fabric, tossed it in the tub with hot water....and it is bleeding too! Geesh. I kind of expect this with batiks, but not LQS fabrics. Because this is going to be a white and red Christmas project, I broke down and just ordered some Retayne. Let's hope that works! Or it's on to plan C! Which has not yet been formulated!!! :}