made it with bacon, onions and pickle in mine no pickle in the mans . BRowned it, then put it in a pan with combo beef broth and tomato paste as he cant stand gravy sigh. it was a thick redish color so it was ok. double sigh. I think it came out but still not mamas rouladine. wish it was closer to what she made. think the extra parsley and the brown gravy might do the trick. will try that next time. he said it was "interesting" which means it didn't hit the spot. sigh. will make it for one of you next round. yup that's what I will do! thanks for the tips. any more are more than welcome. I have read that different parts of Gemany cook it differently. some use pickles some use bacon all use onions and mustard . open to try more!