I would never argue with her. But... I save a lot of time not pulling the threads up as I quilt. I can use the zen of burying threads as part of the finishing process of the quilt (like binding). When I stitch in the ditch (on my domestic) I use the double reverse stitch method, still don't pull the threads up and just cut everything off flush when done. The only time I get thread nest is when some idiot forgets to put the presser foot down on the Tin Lizzy. Much easier to do than you can imagine. And very, very ugly. tim in san jose