thanks Kenmoregal2! I tried to replay a couple of hours ago but computer jammed on me :-( I think I have pics of the cams from files on a kenmore facebook group - just hard to find them on ebay. I think they only made them for this one machine unless some other machines are badged for other companies with the same ones. I seldom use decorative stitches but thought it'd be cool to have the cams if I could find them