Thank you for all the input. I have it narrowed down to the Westbend dual blade machine and the Zojirushi. I love the horizontal loaf. I guess it's bad when your DH says to order one and you want one that is over 20 years old because the door opens forward instead of up. But like he says - a lot has changed in 20 years. Just so everybody knows this is going to be my 5th or 6th machine- I wear them out.