Thank you one and all. I found it, down loaded it and will be making this on befor the week is up. But I think we need to have some place specific for posting each month's pattern so they are all together. this thread is getting very long. But I am always looking to simplify whe way I gather information. Any way will see you guys on Sunday in the chat room. Tim why do you not join in, we need some base voices, the always add to the mix. QN/Daphne