I have a HQ Avante with computer. I did some QOV, but I felt like they wanted "experts" instead of my allover computerized quilting, so I stopped volunteering my services. They want "professional style" work for nothing. The old addage Beggars can't be choosers fits here. I don't sell my services, but do quilts for charities, and for my friends, and myself. I have never tried pantograph on my machine, but use the computer for 99% of my work. I just don't feel like taking all that time to practice FM when I can be accomplishing something with the computer. I feel my work is as good as anyone elses. We are all artists in our own way, and should never be made to feel inferior to anyone else.