FWIW! I went with a factory reconditioned Nolting commercial machine from the early 90's. 18" throat space, on a Hinterberg Stretch frame made to 8' (can be made longer with longer conduit and the end pieces). Including dealer delivery and setup, around $4500. I did a bunch of looking online for "the best" LA machines available in my price range. I saw a BUNCH of posts and blogs with ecstatic Nolting owners, and very few frustrated ones. That combined with factory support, made in USA, user friendly repairs on so many things that can go wrong...it was MY best option, even though I had no hands on experience with any other brand, and only a few minutes playing with one of these at a show. I have no regrets yet, I feel I bought a great machine.