I guess this doesn't exactly answer your question, but I did buy my Pfaff 2134 from the shop where I had taken my beginner quilting class. It was a demonstration machine and used for classes, plus that model was being discontinued. So I felt like I got a good buy on a really nice machine from a shop that I trust. That was about 8 years ago and I still like my Pfaff! It has been back to that shop once for a repair which turned out to be only a good cleaning. That said, to me, it was still not a cheap machine.