Sorry, this won't help you but, there are some good ones out there. I bought some at LQS a couple years ago. I had won a 25$ gift certificate from my guild and used that for the pins. They go through the quilt layers like butter. Of course, I didn't keep the package or make note of the name and I am kicking myself. The shop is closing, no one knows the brand. ); I would love to have more.