i have a new joy with janome 1600DP i only get 5 inches by the time the quilt is less than half way done. i want a long arm. there is a long arm show in may (13 14th) in overland park mo. and going to take two day and see which one i will buy i will try as many as they will allow. i would never turn a quilt i did have one my little nice started on the machine and i had to put it on the frame half stated it's impossible.